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Nice to see some photos of this site uploaded - the PDMHS conservation team are in the process of excavating, recording and consolidating the remains which are of a later 19th century small winding/pumping engine house.

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Going from left to right, the entrance goes into a rocker pit, covered over after the mine fell into disuse. The large stepped platform is the engine base, with the coal store behind it. Then, there's the boiler base, and a passage to the side of it with a covered drain under it. Excavations are ongoing to the right of this to find remains of the chimney base.

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The boiler was sat on a base of firebrick, some of which remains and still shows the curvature of the boiler.

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This is the covered drain alongside it. Also note the nicely rounded corner stonework.

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Looking across the boiler to the coal store. This originally had a vaulted roof with a hatch in it to drop coal in, and was still intact in the 1960s, but reworking for fluorspar on the site caused it to collapse. The hatch surround was found during excavation and appears to be a much older mullioned window re-used on site.

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This was originally a rocker pit, which we know from some wear grooves on the wall (which yours truly foolishly volunteered to record for the site report....). It was roofed over and the right-hand buttress built, apparently for use as a pigsty, after the mine was abandoned in the 1880s when the shaft ran in.

The conservation team will be digging there this Saturday, although without me as I'm away this weekend, if anyone wants to go see the work in progress.
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16 years ago
Thanks for the descriptions.
I will add them to the photos if that's ok?

It was a nice surprise on what was a long day last Friday of which I've still got a load more photos to upload from other mine in the Eyam/Longstone Edges area.

It would of been nice to get a better look at Slater's Mine just down the lane.

Unfortunately I'm away this weekend in another part of the Peak District. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the excavation works but my weekends are usually taken.

Hopefully the PDMHS can excavate a few more sites. Keep up the good work
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16 years ago
Thanks for posting the pics LeeW, and to AR for the descriptions also. An interesting set of photos made all the better for the background information :thumbup:
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16 years ago
Oh well least I have a few more walks to do... top pics Lee
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16 years ago
"LeeW" wrote:

Thanks for the descriptions.
I will add them to the photos if that's ok?



Fine by me - let me know if you want any info for any of the other photos. Also, there's some material on the PDMHS website at http://www.pdmhs.com/projects_silencemine.asp  including Nellie Kirkham's field notes and an article she wrote about the mines and the Grindlow riots......
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16 years ago
Just out of interest how many sites are there no excavated or conserved in the Peak... must admit but out of touch there...?
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16 years ago
It occurs to me that an exchange of information/cross fertilization/sharing between those with an interest in excavating mine sires and those involved in preserving steam (winding, pumping --) engines would be valuable. I know this does happen but maybe could happen a bit more? The picture of where the boiler was sited shows what type of boiler it was, complete with brick flues. Developing a comprehensive picture of boiler development and use/engine arrangement for all would be so valuable.
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I must admit its crossed my mind of late based on the fact that Sth Gloucs Mine Research Group have done similar (and may I say excellent) digs exposing Newcomen engine bases... be nice to see ot all in one spot..... Be a hell of a project 😎 . Talking to spitfire the other day and given the superb number of engine house remains we have there should be a national register of all of them.... suppose someone is going to tell me there already is and make me look like a twot!! :lol:
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"ICLOK" wrote:

Just out of interest how many sites are there no excavated or conserved in the Peak... must admit but out of touch there...?



Did you mean to say "now" or "not" there? Conserved/Excavated: Magpie, Mandale, High Rake, Meerbrook (converted to a house), Ecton, Milldam (winder) Pindale and Silence. New Engine winding house is also still in good nick or so I'm told.

Still to be dug or conserved: Off the top of my head, several Newcomen engine sites including old Watergrove, Snitterton Park, Highlow, and Yatestoop, plus the horizontal engine house at Greensward and the remains of the Devonshire shaft engine at Hubberdale
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Reading through the Nellie Kirkham report and I didn't realise there was a sough. Is it still visible?

Also who did the work at Batemans House?
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Am really sorry AR... missed this post... I am only in Ripley and have sadly neglected Derbys in my recent travels.
Any exposed/non exposed Newcomen remains particularly welcome.... but generally any excavated engine remains etc..
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16 years ago
"LeeW" wrote:

Reading through the Nellie Kirkham report and I didn't realise there was a sough. Is it still visible?

Also who did the work at Batemans House?



The sough is visible as a line of shaft mounds heading away from the mine in the fields at the foot of the slope.

Bateman's house was jointly conserved by EH and Natural England, I think.

Latest report from the site - in spite of further digging, the chimeny base is still being elusive.....
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I assume the sough is the one I put pics of into Old Grove Sough?

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/mines/Old-Grove-Sough-Tunnel/ 

Should this be in Old Grove Sough and/or Silence Mine?
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16 years ago
Without checking Jim R's book and going on site for a look, I couldn't say for certain.....
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16 years ago
AR - To save you a trip in to Sheffield, here are the extracts from Jim's books re Silence Sough that you mention.

Extracted from "History & Gazetteer of the Lead Mine Soughs of Derbyshire" by J. H. Rieuwerts published J. H. Rieuwerts 1987, page 21.

"SILENCE SOUGH, 188.777 Bolt, piped into trough

A short shale gate about 900 feet in length. The level has been entered in recent times (c.1950) and was crawling height, with a flat shale roof propped with large poles every few feet. No dates are known for it's construction but it probably dates from the early 18th century."

Extracted from "LEAD MINING IN DERBYSHIRE: HISTORY, DEVELOPMENT & DRAINAGE. 1. Castleton to the River Wye." by J. H. Rieuwerts, published by Landmark Publishing Ltd., 2007. page 100

"SILENCE SOUGH

A shale-gate sough and pumpway for which no documentary evidence seems to have survived. The level was probably driven sometime during the years 1710-1712. Kirkham (1964) recorded seeing the tail section re-opened by the farmer; it had a flat roof of shale, propped at intervals of a few feet by larch poles, but it ran-in again soon afterwards. The sough intersected the mine at a depth of 27 fathoms (162 feet) after a driveage of a little over 1,200 feet. Silence Mine was worked to a depth of 526 feet, 328 feet being in shale and 198 feet - within the limestone. The mine was greatly troubled by water by 1734 but in about 1738 there appeared the curious statement that there was 'a prospect of being very soon relieved of ye water - by means of a Sough or Levell that is now bringing up'. This cannot refer to any sough driven at high level in the shale, or an optimistic forecast about the westward progress of either Stoke Sough or Magsclough Sough. The only feasible explanation appears to be a proposed extension of the deeper sough from New Edge Grove referred to under Speed Level.

SPEED LEVEL

The only documentary references to the Level occur in reckonings relating to Stoke Sough. None of the work appears relevent to events at Stoke Sough and quite why this shale sough was important to them is a mystery.

During October, 1760 driving began at Speed Level, the cost being 5/- per fathom, so obviously excavation must have been through shale. In January, 1762 there is an unexplained item: 'Michael Simpson garding the Water from Dowse Hole [SCL.Bag 391]'. After a driveage of 1176 feet they were 'Making a Water Mark at Have-at-All' and an entry in July, 1763' reads: 'Given the Workmen for getting a hole through to Have-at-All, 5/-'.

The position of the Level is not known, only two solutions seem feasible; either a shale gate sough driven west from Silence Sough, or a continuation of Greenhead Sough eastwards beyond the New Edge Grove title. The latter hypothesis is the more attractive, but there is no supporting documentary evidence. If begun from a forefield at the eastern extremity of the New Edge meers, then 1176 feet would terminate close to Speed Engine Shaft, but well beyond Have-at-All Mine."

Until 1763 when references cease, Speed Level had been driven 1440 feet, always at 5/- per fathom."

N.B. The 1964 reference by Jim to Nellie Kirkham's article in his 2007 book gives the title of the article as "Grindlow mines - Derbyshire Miscellany Bull., Local History Section, Derbyshire Archaelogical Society", however, on checking my copies of Derbyshire Miscellany, the only article printed in the journal at that date is "Silence Mine" by Nellie Kirkham, it will be the same article.

"SCL" refers to Sheffield Archives, formerly Sheffield City Libraries. Local History Library.
"Bag" refers to the Bagshawe Collection held by Sheffield Archives.

5/- (five shillings old money is the equivalent of 25p now - but was worth a heck of a lot more in the 1700's).



AR
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Thanks for that Sougher, I'm actually at work in Sheffield right now but your posting has saved me the walk from Moorhead to the local studies library.... I think you're right about the article title, I'm sure that's what the copy of it on the PDMHS website is called. I've suggested to the conservation team that when we've finished work at Silence we should re-enact the Grindlow riots for a laugh!

Lee, going by this I think it is Silence sough tail shaft mounds you've photographed, so I'd suggest moving them across if you can.
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Thanks for confirmation, I got the name of the sough from the Lead Legacy Report.

Sougher, thanks for the book references, I assume they are like the other books from Landmark and are worth getting copies of.
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"LeeW" wrote:

Thanks for confirmation, I got the name of the sough from the Lead Legacy Report.

Sougher, thanks for the book references, I assume they are like the other books from Landmark and are worth getting copies of.



In that case, hold fire on moving stuff - I was under the impression that the hillock line was on Silence sough but I think I need second opinions from Drs Rieuwerts and Barnatt!

The Landmark book is the first of a series of three (vols 1 & 2 are out, vol.3 is in preparation) and is pretty good - they're £25 each, although I got mine a bit cheaper by subscribing. I keep meaning to do reviews to post here but by the time I've got round to it vol 3 will probably have been published! Last time I looked, Mike Moore had a copy of the original version but unless you particularly want this, I'd suggest going for the Landmark books.
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sougher
16 years ago
LeeW - as AR has written, the first two volumnes of "Lead Mining in Derbyshire: History, Development & Drainage" are still available to buy from Landmark Publishing Ltd., - we are awaiting publication of Vol. 3 which then completes an indepth history of the drainage of the Derbyshire lead field. They are well worth buying. I too was a subscriber like AR and bought them at a reduced price. Regarding Jim's first book on soughs "History & Gazetteer of the Lead Mine Soughs of Derbyshire", this was published privately by Jim, was subscribed to (alas I couldn't afford to buy it when it was published but managed to get a secondhand copy recently), and only two hundred copies were printed. The Landmark books contain a lot more detailed information that Jim has researched over the years from the publication of his first book, but I think it well worth buying if one can find a copy and can afford it.

AR - Glad to have been of help by putting up the extract from Jim's book. If ever you need a reference from it and you're not in Sheffield please contact me either on the Forum or by PM and I'll send you the reference you want. Incidently the reason I put Nellie's Collected Works up as a separate subject on the Forum was to let people know where her Collected Works were located, to save them a lot of searching if they needed to refer to one of her article's in an obscure publication not easily got hold of. Of course if one is a member there is always the BCRA library to refer to in Derbyshire (two centres, Buxton and Matlock).

Regarding more possible information on Silence Mine that she may have written and which is not referred to on the Silence mine website, did you know she published four articles in British Caver on the Lead Mine Soughs of Eyam, Stoney Middleton, Calver and Watergrove? They are listed below:-

BRITISH CAVER
Vol. 22, pp56-67 (1951) Part 1
Lead mine soughs of Eyam, Stoney Middleton & Calver.

Vol. 23, pp64-77 (1952) Part 2
Lead mine soughs of Eyam, Stoney Middleton & Calver.

Vol. 24, pp82-100 (1953) Part 3
Lead mine soughs of Eyam, Stoney Middleton & Calver.

Vol. 25, pp65-79 (1954) Part 4
Lead mine soughs of Eyam, Stoney Middleton & Calver,
Watergrove sough.

I know these articles cover a large area, but perhaps there could be a small amount of information tucked away in them concerning Silence mine sough, I have copies of them that Nellie gave me, but not to hand at present. I think you should have an enactment of the Grindlow riots, perhaps also the fights that took place on the Dove Gang mine at Cromford/Wirksworth. Miners didn't change throughout the centuries did they.
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Thanks Sougher, I just wish I could get time to read some of these, as I'm usually too busy with researches on my own projects ( Fieldgrove, currently anonymous mine at Red House farm, Hubberdale and Chapeldale/Flagg area) when I'm in the DRO to look at other things. I noticed in a local paper the BCA were advertising for a part time librarian, unfortunately I already have a full-time job.

Lee - don't change the photos, on checking the map in Jim's new book they are defintely on Old Grove sough. Silence sough is probably visible as a wet patch down the middle of the field directly below the engine house....
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