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Hello

I am hoping that somebody will be able to assist me with a query that I have?

Does anybody know when both Ormonde and Loscoe Collieries in Derbyshire were sunk. I get the idea that Ormonde was opened around 1905 but have no idea regarding Loscoe.

I have looked at old maps and it would appear that both collieries were connected by colliery railways as an extension of the Bailey Brook Colliery branch.

Finally does anybody know who owned these collieries? Was it the Butterley Company or somebody else?

Thank you in anticipation.
Simon
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Dear SimonJ (& Carnkie)

In considering Ormonde and Loscoe collieries we also need to tie in Bailey Brook as well.

There were large number of small collieries around Heanor which lasted well into the late 1800's but ultimately coal mining was to be dominated by the Mundy family (Shipley collieries Ltd) and Butterley Co.

Loscoe Colliery
This was sunk by Goodwin and Griffin in the early 1830's to work the Deep Hard and Deep soft seams. It was taken over in 1840 by E.D.Whittingstall and then by the Butterley Co in 1856 as part of their ever growing empire of coal workings ranging from Riddings to Ripley and Heanor. It continued work in these seams until they were exhausted and in an attempt to keep the mine going Roof coal and Ell coal were also worked but the mine closed in 1933.

Bailey Brook Colliery
This was sunk in 1847 by Butterley Co to work the Deep Hard and Deep Soft seams. The mines shafts were deepened in 1918 in order to work the Kilburn seams but this also gave access to the Piper and Low seams too.
Given the proximity of newer Ormonde Colliery nearby Butterley co decided to concentrate all its efforts there and closed the colliery in 1938.

Ormonde Colliery
This was started by Butterley Co in 1908. Two shafts were sunk through the old Loscoe Colliery workings in the Deep Soft and Hard seams to reach the Kilburn seams, but this also gave the colliery access to great reserves in the Piper, Low, Blackshale and Mickley seams. in 1922, £33,000 was spent on a Rheolaveaur Coal washing plant to process 4" coal efficiently. Coal was hand cut, loaded and trammed unti the 1930s when the first coal cutting machines arrived, the first conveyor was fitted in 1938 in the kilburn seam.
the Kilburn seam was becoming exhausted in the late 30's so in the early 40's the Blackshale Seam (aka Silkstone) was developed and a false bottom was added in No1 shaft for winding purposes according to a local report.
The mine transferred to government ownership (nationalisation) on the 1st Jan 1947 becoming part of NCB area No 5 managed from Eastwood Hall HQ. This area gained a reputation as being one of the most efficient and achieved 2 Tons per man per shift in output. In 1963 it was estimated Ormonde had 12 years of reserves but this was optimistic. The other mine in the area closed before 1966 leaving Ormande as last man standing but reliant on continued pumping of now closed collieries such as Woodside to protect its workings.
The mine was transferred into Derbyshire Area 4 based around Huthwaite in 1966 but during 1967 after a major NCB re-organisation came under North Derbyshire Area managed from Bolsover.
Reserves were now fast running out and drives were made into the Blackshale (Silkstone) seams below Shipley and Langley but these were uneconomic and discontinued. As a last ditch effort drifts were made up into the Roof Soft coal which was worked below Loscoe Grange and surrounding other areas. It was all to no avail and the colliery closed on the 25th September 1970.
An unusual experiment took place by the NCB when a coal face in the Piper seam was to be worked using Switchgear in the roadways and automated equipment. This was ROLF... Remotely Operated Longwall Face. It was never a success and did not achieve much but the NCB gained invaluable experience on automation in mining.

Railways
Please see my piece on the Loscoe tramway given by Carnkies in the link above.
The Midland railway ran a branch off to the colliery which itself split from the Langley Mill to Heanor and Ripley branch just behind the bus garages at Langley Mill. It crossed Mansfield road on a level crossing next to the bus garages and was MR property just a few hundred yards on when it became the Collieries (Butterley later NCB) property. The route followed the valley West to Bailey Brook and then Nth when it turned West just Sth of what was to become Ormonde colliery. It then passed under Taylor Lane Bridge (carrying the MR Heanor to Ripley Line) and under the Heanor to Ripley Road into Loscoe colliery. When Ormonde was built the line was just carried on into the new pit.
When loscoe colliery closed the main Heanor - Ripley Rd was modified and the line truncated in a yard where the Loscoe recycling centre now stands. This yard was a NCB landsale yard and had abandoned wagons in it in which I played as a kid right up to the mid 70s at least. Taylor lane overbridge stood until recently. The line from Langley Mill crossing Nth is a footpath now. The crossing gates were certainly standing in the 1980s and I got my first MR boundry post from there after several hours of digging.
The langley end of the route from Loscoe terminated in Langley exchange sidings where the route met BR. No trace really can now be found of the line there, though 2 bridges of the MR Ripley branch survive.

Sorry if this is rather a long response but you did ask :smartass: :thumbsup:

I will add the above descriptions to the DB in due course.

EDIT Descriptions added to DB. Please note if you look up Ormonde on the DB all the Heanor and area collieries come up .... there were dozens of small collieries originally.

Oh and I forgot this...
New Winnings Footrill Colliery
This was opened by Butterley Co in 1887 and was just above Bailey Brook Colliery to reach the Deep Soft seam, it only operated a short time closing in 1890.
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Thank you so much for that information. I'm really grateful for it. I was wondering if I could be extra specially cheeky and ask whether you have similar or any information on Bennerley, Awsworth and Speedwell Collieries? I'm a novice to the forum and if you have posted info on these already then I apologise in advance.

Many Thanks
Simon
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Thats an interesting one as its an area I'm just getting into... let me have a look in my notes.. will get back to you. Its an odd area, I think straying into Barber Walker collieries territory.

Was the info I sent enough...?
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Hi

It was absolutely fantastic thank you I couldn't have asked for better. I'm researching the railways of East Derbys and Nottinghamshire and as you're aware the collieries often linked in with the railways. The Barber Walker Co is interesting as I understand that they had their own network of lines leaving the MR and GNR at Langley Mill and rejoining the MR and GNR at Watnall taking in Moorgreen, Highpark and Watnall collieries amongst others . Its a subject again that I'd be grateful for any information on. Thank you so muh for all your help so far

Simon
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You arn't in a certain yahoo user group on yahoo are you...

I'm into the same thing and doing rail and mining in this area inc Ripley
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SimonJ
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Hi
No I'm not in any yahoo groups I assure you. At present I'm studying two of the Midland Railway branch lines. Butterley to Langley Mill and Bennerley to Basford via Kimberley and Watnall and whilst the railways make a great study I feel the to do the subjects proper justice more than a passing reference needs to be made to the collieries which were either served by rail or were adjacent to the lines I'm studying.

If I can assist you with anything to do with the railways I'm more than happy to do so
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You will need Waingroves Colliery too... Its on here and I have all the maps of the MR Langley Mill to Heanor to Ripley to Butterley Branch plus signal diagrams... I have lived in the area of that Branch all my life at Heanor and Ripley and walk on it everyday... Its an interesting route and I know it very well. I have the Butterly Co plate off the bridge at Midland Rd Heanor... are you aware that the Heanor MR station building still stands.... its the bungalow in the corner of Midland Rd and Burton Street!

The Ripley end is very involved as Butterley co had its own Railway network in the area... if you look up Butterley Company railway there are pics from my recent walks.

regards iancc
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SimonJ
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OH MY GOD!!! That is just the kind of information that I am looking for. I have walked the route a couple of times this year taking photos of what remains there are. I didn't think that anything remained of Heanor station apart from the Midland Road bridge abutment which now forms part of somebodys garden wall. I posted a topic on the Heanor History forum asking if anyone knew when the station buildings there were demolished and what the buildings were used for prior to demolition. I have one photo of the station in operational days and several of Crosshill & Codnor. I have to admit at being very envious that you have an actual bridge plate from the line!!!
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Yep don't ask why I unscrewed it when I was 14!!, They filled in the bridge with muck thus I could get to the bridge plate, Its hanging on my shed! It came off Midland road bridge. It was broken as removed and I welded it back up when I got my first job as a 16 year old. That bridge was never dismantled, just buried and the parapit stones knocked down.
I also remember Heanor goods standing as a small boy.
I remember the Branch platform at Langley Mill as I used to sit on it to Trainspot!! Did you know there was no actual physdical connection with the MR mainline there trackwise, to get stock onto the LM branch platform it would have come off the MR mainline at Heanor Jnct then reversed back into the branch station via Curve Jnct.
By the way the next junction after Curve was Heanor Goods Jnct where the Branch to ormonde split from the ripley branch... There was a Signal box of that name...

Below are maps of Bailey Brook, Loscoe and Langley Mill... note no Ormonde as not built by this point.....

EDIT, added Midland Railway Official map of LM
EDIT added BR 1950 signalling diagram

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Hi Ian

The maps that you have posted are brilliant, really sharp and of high quality. Where did you get the maps from? Can you get a county on a disc or something like that?

Cheers
Simon
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Simon we need to take that off line mate... I will request PM rights for you and I will send you my phone number in Ripley....
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