Peter Burgess
4 years ago
While working on my diverse set of mining history notes for Surrey mines, I came across this short description of how Clement Le Neve Foster, HM Inspector of Mines for the North Wales and Isle of Man District became acquainted with the carbide lamp in his report for 1899.

"Acetylene Lamps: As the dim lighting of underground workings may and does prevent the detection of some of the dangers which threaten the miner, improved illumination must be welcomed as a means of helping to render his calling less perilous. On reading in a German periodical of an acetylene mining lamp, I at once made it my business to procure one. Its brilliant light is an immense improvement upon that of the tallow candle, the usual illuminant in the mines of my district, and upon that of the oil lamps often used by the officials. The advantage is especially marked in the huge underground chambers of the Festiniog (sic) slate mines. I cannot help feeling that the problem of safety and conveniently using acetylene for illuminating underground workings well deserves the attention of inventors and mining engineers."

As to why I have these notes, it may come as a surprise to some to learn that Surrey and other South East England counties were included in the district he covered.

This makes me curious to discover when it was that the carbide lamp came into common usage in mines.
ptpeaty
4 years ago
Peter, I don’t know when Stinkies first started to be used but I do know they were used in certain collieries until relatively recent times. The Clydach Merthyr colliery aka Nixon’s near Craigcefnparcparc in the Swansea valley saw them used until the late 1960s and local hardware shops in Clydach and Pontardawe sold carbide for mining lamps. Apparently, the seams were gas free and the roof massively bedded sand stone that meant the main roadways required no propping! The place boasted an underground smithy!
rufenig
4 years ago
In the 5th edition, Ore and Stone mining (1904) Foster says.
"Trials have lately been made in Germany with an open acetylene hand lamp. It gives a light ten times as great as that of a rape-oil lamp, and it will bear a greater draught and more damp without going out. The lamp is easily cleaned. A weight of 120grammes of fresh carbide suffices for eight hours, and the cost per lamp per hour, including cleaning and repairs, is 2 pfennige. or 1/4d. Safety lamps fed by acetylene are being tried."
(Quote,) Acetylenebelenchtung I'm Grubenbetriebe. Gluckauf vol xxv 1899 p.905
Morlock
4 years ago
Looking at the date for the first economic carbide production probably some time after 1892.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbide_lamp 

Edit: Info from USA.

https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object-groups/mining-lights-and-hats/carbide-lamps 
derrick man
4 years ago
"Morlock" wrote:

Looking at the date for the first economic carbide production probably some time after 1892.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbide_lamp 



Beat me to it.

Carbide lamps were in at least, limited use in the Cornish mines into the 1960s. The Oldham cap lamp came into general use in the 1940s.

Pictures of the Cornish mines show candles in general use in the 1920s. Photos taken in the late 1940s at South Crofty show carbide lamps in general use.
staffordshirechina
4 years ago
Long Rake Spar Mine at Youlgreave used them until at least 1975. They used the big hand held ones, not the cap lamp variety.
Morlock
4 years ago
Dinas Silica Mine and Llanharry Iron Mine also used the hand held at some point.
Roy Morton
4 years ago


Allen Buckley related to me that at South Crofty there was a general reluctance by the miners, to give up their carbide lamps in favour of the new fangled ’lectric’ ones, to the point where many were deliberately damaged,in an effort to persuade management that they were unreliable.
Those early Oldham’s / CEAGS used to leak like sieves.
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Buckhill
4 years ago
The big hand/hanging carbide lamps were still in use at Force Crag and Honister well into the 70s. I used a cap lamp type at the latter for a while around 20 years ago (due to unreliable electric ones).
derrick man
4 years ago
"Roy Morton" wrote:



Allen Buckley related to me that at South Crofty there was a general reluctance by the miners, to give up their carbide lamps in favour of the new fangled ’lectric’ ones, to the point where many were deliberately damaged,in an effort to persuade management that they were unreliable.
Those early Oldham’s / CEAGS used to leak like sieves.



The lamp belts sold by the likes of Cornish Industrial Supply when I arrived in Camborne in the early 70s, were provided with a felt pad which absorbed spills from the battery... they didn’t actually leak, but tended to dribble from the vent holes if laid down, laid on their sides or upside down, or simply overcharged - which would commonly be done in an attempt to keep older lamps in use.

There was also no real way of checking fluid levels. Lamp room hands would inject a “best guess” level through the vent holes with a pipette, which turned out much as you might expect.

The T Type, and later translucent cases were far superior in that respect.

I don’t doubt that trying to introduce new technology in an industry which had at that time, stagnated since the 1920s and been largely moribund since the 1940s, in a place like West Cornwall, was a thankless task.

Using Oldham and CEAG lamps for caving in the 70s, we used to plug the vents with the plastic caps from the bodies of biro pens, otherwise they would progressively fill with cave water, with predictable effects...

Ty Gwyn
4 years ago
Ivy Rock,Smallmine in Resolfen was the last to use carbide lamps in a coalmine in South Wales.
royfellows
4 years ago
"derrick man" wrote:



Using Oldham and CEAG lamps for caving in the 70s, we used to plug the vents with the plastic caps from the bodies of biro pens, otherwise they would progressively fill with cave water, with predictable effects...



Off thread but..
I loved the T2, a bit heavier but very robust.
Modded by big self tappers and a tap washers in the vents, and 1.5 amp halogen bulbs from CS. If Heb around will remember me taking out x head screwdriver in Caplecleugh to vent my battery half way through the day. Had to change them regularly as the acid would go for the metal screws.
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Peter Burgess
4 years ago
In 1929 the "Lux Solis Lighting Co." Earley Stn, Berks. wrote to the proprietors of the hearthstone mine at Betchworth, Surrey stating that they had not bought any carbide for a long time. I assume they used it to illuminate the underground workings, and not in their bike lamps when going to and from work in the winter months.

legendrider
4 years ago
Miners at Coldberry (Teesdale) were using Carbine [sic] lamps in the 1940's/50's. I have a lovely photo "somewhere" of a group of them outside the portal, Jackie Parmley grinning toothlessly and holding up a small metal teapot. Ronnie Smurthwaite explained the significance of this to me - there was a small spring near the portal and the teapot was used to fill the lamps with spring water.

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Roy Morton
4 years ago
On the subject of carbide. How about some of this from Italy
Sporting purposes only :lol::lol::lol:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163118292737 


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4 years ago
"Roy Morton" wrote:

On the subject of carbide. How about some of this from Italy
Sporting purposes only :lol::lol::lol:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163118292737 



"squeek squeek".....BOOM!!


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legendrider
4 years ago
You need to know the molecular weight to calculate grams per mole.... ::):smartass:

HNY 2021

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Roy Morton
4 years ago
"legendrider" wrote:

You need to know the molecular weight to calculate grams per mole.... ::):smartass:

HNY 2021

MARK



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4 years ago
There are indications, spent carbide & graffiti on walls, in Smallcleugh of carbide lamps being used in 1917. I would guess that the introduction was at that time because they were playing with the new toys.
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Roy Morton
4 years ago
I knew I'd seen a receipt for carbide somewhere in my collection of 'stuff' and after much rooting, came up with this.
From South Crofty dated 1911.
Lamps and carbide, maybe testers for checking out their usefulness.
Mind you the order is for 1cwt of carbide 😮 to power 2 lamps !

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Seems they were using it fairly regularly, this receipt from March 1912

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