Protected River Lugg 'bulldozed' in 'wildlife crime'· Page 4

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royfellows
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#61

"Coggy" wrote:
Is this even a mining interest ?

A lot of our historical mining sites enjoy some statutory protection. An open adit where bats might roost is protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act. Sites in general can be SAM or SSSI amongst other designations. As I said if someone can drive a coach and horses through statutory protection in one place, it sets a precedent for others.

This has wondered off thread somewhat, but it is under "General Chat".

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neutronix
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I think fraud usually implies financial or personal gain. This is perhaps often the case but in the instance I mentioned, as commented on by the judge, the motive was far from clear, certainly no financial gain was involved.

Off topic, I know, but this is entirely in tune with the comments made in Broad and Wade. Some examples of financial gain, some of academic aggrandisement, but for most the motive was unknown.

In the Earth Sciences, there was Wilson Crook (I kid you not) III who took synthetic chemicals and passed them off as new mineral species. Closer to home, the mineral collector Arthur Kingsbury claimed to have found many mineral species new to the UK but the specimens were in fact from his own collection from classic localities outside the UK. Crook was rapidly unmasked and his MSc was rescinded by the University of Michigan, Kingsbury took close on 30 years to be found to be a fraud. Crook took the university to court, but I believe lost his case. Kingsbury went to his grave thinking he had fooled UK topographical mineralogy.

“There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." Mark Twain

Peter Burgess
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#63

I wouldn't worry about drifting topics in this case. I would stick it under the category of enlightened debate - just the sort of thing we all need sometimes, and especially this year.

royfellows
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4 years ago

#64

Mmm. In truth I will take the credit for starting a very interesting thread.
;D

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neutronix
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4 years ago

#65

"Peter Burgess" wrote:
I wouldn't worry about drifting topics in this case. I would stick it under the category of enlightened debate - just the sort of thing we all need sometimes, and especially this year.

Well in that case I have uploaded a paper from the journal Geocurator that was the first to expose Kingsbury's fraudulent behaviour. An interesting and non-technical read. It illustrates the difficulty in areas of research where the provenance of the sample/object is paramount and the word of the author is taken to be truthful... caveat emptor. Kingsbury may be unique in claiming foreign specimens to be British finds, but Victorian mineral dealers were not entirely innocent, frequently obfuscating localities to put off rivals. Many of Richard Talling's finds and newly described species still have uncertain locality details.

“There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." Mark Twain

Peter Burgess
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4 years ago

#66

That was an interesting read. Dawson's work springs to mind. You know, the piltdown Man man. But his name also pops up in connection with excursions by the GA to mining sites in Sussex, and the excursion reports, and one wonders sometimes what to believe.

Peter Burgess
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#67

.... mention of which prompted me to see what is out there about Dawson. Here is some lazy-time reading material for another day.... What a scoundrel.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303136886_Prelude_to_Piltdown_Charles_Dawson%27s_origins_career_and_antiquarian_pursuits_1864-1911_and_their_repercussions

ttxela
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4 years ago

#68

Well at least this topic is meandering even if the River Lugg no longer is.....

ChrisJC
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#69

"ttxela" wrote:
Well at least this topic is meandering even if the River Lugg no longer is.....

:lol::lol: I'll wager that in 10 years it will be meandering; nature always prevails.

Chris.

neutronix
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4 years ago

#70

"ttxela" wrote:
Well at least this topic is meandering even if the River Lugg no longer is.....

Maybe we need a thread "The Fevered Ramblings of Diseased Minds";D

“There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." Mark Twain

Coggy
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4 years ago

#71

Fair enough.

if eight out of ten cats all prefer Whiskas
Do the other two prefer Lesley Judd ?

Coggy
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4 years ago

#72

Coggy wrote:

Is this even a mining interest ?

A lot of our historical mining sites enjoy some statutory protection. An open adit where bats might roost is protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act. Sites in general can be SAM or SSSI amongst other designations. As I said if someone can drive a coach and horses through statutory protection in one place, it sets a precedent for others.

This has wondered off thread somewhat, but it is under "General Chat".

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My avatar is a poor likeness.
fair enough

if eight out of ten cats all prefer Whiskas
Do the other two prefer Lesley Judd ?

pwhole
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4 years ago

#73

One of those recent Brian Cox programmes explained that the wavelength of any river meander is always between 10-14 times the width of the river at that point. It's true for all fluid paths in the Universe, not just on earth.

It may come in handy one day...though possibly not in this thread 🙂

Peter Burgess
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4 years ago

#74

If the Lugg is going to unstraighten itself, it begs the question, why straighten it in the first place?

ChrisJC
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4 years ago

#75

Depends how long it is going to take.

Kingsdale Beck is straight, and clearly unnatural (was there anguish when that was straightened I wonder?). And it remains straight.

Chris.

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4 years ago

#76

"ChrisJC" wrote:
Depends how long it is going to take.

Kingsdale Beck is straight, and clearly unnatural (was there anguish when that was straightened I wonder?). And it remains straight.

Chris.

I think that sometimes a triggering event such as a fallen tree is needed to start the first of the bends, after that it just sort of happens.

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sinker
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4 years ago

#77

"Peter Burgess" wrote:

….. why straighten it in the first place?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide

Yma O Hyd....

crickleymal
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4 years ago

#78

If river meanders were going to straighten themselves they would have done by now. After all its been several millenia 😉

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BertyBasset
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4 years ago

#79

That river's been doing it's own thing for millenia. These are the fossil meanders below the Bridge, although some may be overflow channels.

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pwhole
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4 years ago

#80

One of my favourite local features like this is on the River Rother, adjacent to the Sheffield Parkway junction with the M1 at Catcliffe. The whole area is a deep flood plain, protected by giant lock gates to stop Rotherham flooding - but the river has been re-worked many times since 1855 to remove many of the meanders - presumably to make the flooding more controllable, rather than stop it, which is impossible given the topography.

The area is also directly below the flood path of Ulley Reservoir, high on the hill to the east, and which nearly collapsed in the rains of 2007. For these reasons and several others, the residents of Catcliffe have always been a somewhat paranoid bunch, but you can hardly blame them.

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