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Hi there, I'm new to this site and to exploring mines in general (have do a lot of Caving though).

Me and a couple of mates are looking into some of the mines in the Furness area - starting with the easily accessible daylight hole last weekend javascript:emoticon(':o')
Shocked . Impressive!

Were looking into maybe Ding Dong or some of the Coniston Copper mines. Has anyone got any info on either of the above (or any other holes in the area worth taking a look at?).


Cheers, Chris! 😮 😮
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17 years ago
There's a lot of good mines in that area, escpecially around Coniston; what level of exploration are you looking at (i.e. involving any SRT etc)

Been meaning to do Daylight Hole for a long time, will do soon hopefully..., though it does sound a bit dogey, as I've heard that if the main cavern collapses then the fallen rubble with fill the water filled part of the chamber, pushing the water out - and thus srowning the mine's remaining tunnels.

cheers;
LAP

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Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
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C-J
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17 years ago
Yeh - Eric Holland says that in his book didn't he? Well the second 'entrance' shaft he talks about has been filled with farmers rubble and the roof, though dodgy I doubt it is going to fall by an amount to flood the passages any time soon - definatly worth the trip!!!

Although I'm SRT proficient I don't have any kit (well a stop - but thats not very useful on its own..) one of the other two has used the kit before. SOOO.... Basically mines with out SRT please!
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Wormster
17 years ago
Ow do Fiend,

I doubt that anybody has told you about the "Darkplaces Big Bash 2008" yet, its in the peak distric this year, last year's bash coverd most of North Wales.

http://www.darkplaces.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=96535#96535 

Is the main topic, basically a week of exploring with like minded nutters.

If you can't make the whole week I'm sure that you would be happily engulfed for the odd day or three :thumbup:

Its a cool week AND you get to meet loads of other "Undergroundy Types" like me. :o

C'mon join in you know it makes sense. :lol:
Better to regret something you have done - than to regret something you have not done.
kate tyler
17 years ago
you mean the lake district!!!!!! 😉
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17 years ago
Apart from Nenthead, I don't think that's in the lakes.
C-J, I'll send you a PM shortly...


cheers


Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Wormster
17 years ago
Peaks, lakes, Iceberg, Goldberg whats in a name??

From where I live its all NORTH anyway :lol:
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17 years ago
"Wormster" wrote:

Peaks, lakes, Iceberg, Goldberg whats in a name??

From where I live its all NORTH anyway :lol:



Ye, the Cumbrian and Lake district borders are all over the place, where I live the border seems to twist and turn in every direction, wouldn't it just be simpler to have the border on the river Lune or the river Keer?
Anyway back on topic, there are some sections of the Coniston mines that can be looked at without SRT, and some of the nearby Tilberthwaite copper and slate mines. There are also the impressive Coniston Old Man slate mines, + quite a few copper/slate mines in the Duddon Valley.
In the furness district there is also a level called Whitrigg's Horse Level, which I think now is blocked, + a few surface remains around Askam - though I think that the Askam mines are now well and truely flooded. There is also Burlington slate quarry but that's maily opencast.

regards

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

Monty Stubble
17 years ago
Real men do Ding-Dong on Ladders!!! Brings a whole new meaning to the term 'Cows Tail'.

Alternatively for the real Furness experience then it has to be Henning Valley Cave. You might, if you're skinny enough, force the rift at the end.:o In a previous (thinner) life I managed it.

As to Coniston - start with the Lever's Water/Paddy End through trip. It's pretty well bolted but you do need some common sense.

Don't get into trouble or it may be COMRU who has to get you out. :thumbsup: and you won't want that.
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C-J
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17 years ago
Hey man - Where is Henning Valley Cave. Went looking for it the other day and couldnae find it. Found some other small entances that didn't lead anywhere so I guess I was in the rightish area.

Is there anything at the bottom of Ding Dong worth looking at cos I could bring some ladder back up next time I go to Cardiff.


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Monty Stubble
17 years ago
The entrance (tight and uninspiring) is at the back of the open caves near the quarry in Henning Valley bottom.

As to Ding-Dong, it is the entrance to the most extensive mine in Furness and if the water level is low you should be able to get through (via the old trespass) to a vast and rarely explored area on your way to B30.

You will need 90' of ladder and there is an excellent tree for a belay at the top. It's a little messy at the bottom but prepare yourself for a real Furness treat.
The finest workers in stone are not copper or steel tools, but the gentle touches of air and water working at their leisure with a liberal allowance of time.
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17 years ago
Would love to look at Ding-Dong, trouble is we've only got 25ft of ladder 😞 , Will take a look at Daylight Hole soonish though I hope.


Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

C-J
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17 years ago
Christ! isnt 90 feet a lot for round these parts... This sounds more like it. Is that one straight shaft??

Anyone have any vague guides for ding dong?? Loving the sound of it!
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C-J
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17 years ago
Lap - I cant PM yet :confused:


Yeh man, thats the right way (or the way we went in). But there are also two passages directly on your left as you walk in, we didn't find these till later - following the smell of dead sheep!


I also found another lake like the main one further in and i'm guessing that may be one and the same, certainly felt like the right place.


Cheers!
Tighter, Wetter - BETTER!
Vanoord
17 years ago
"C-J" wrote:

Lap - I cant PM yet :confused:



You can now 😉
Hello again darkness, my old friend...
Monty Stubble
17 years ago
It's 90'! At the top is a very convenient tree and a grid which is supposed to be fastened with a bolt - though rarely is. Just in case take some adjustables. The first 40' is in a very thick steel tube (off-cuts from a gas pipeline that went through the field and which BG kindly donated) which is packed around with polystyrene (courtesy of Vickers, BAE, etc.).

There is then a square hole through a reinforced concrete raft which is sitting on the bedrock (it's partially reinforced with old steam pipes from the late Eric Holland's traction engine). You are then into about 50' of the original shaft going through limestone.

At the bottom is the top of a rubbish pile which consists of old car parts and large animal skeletons mixed with boulder clay. Just the place to pick up a rare part of a 1950's Ford Prefect (that's one of the cars that was pulled out to open the shaft). 😉 The place was also used as a dumping ground for animal carcasses from the nearby (and now defunct) Marton Abbatoir (not the one in Lindal) hence the sundry cow's heads scattering the place.

Once you're past the bottom of the shaft you are into a complex maze of workings which run all over the place and on many levels.
This is not eased by the fact that over the years miners have robbed pillars of ore causing the larger chambers to collapse, and the limestone sub-strata to end up de-laminating and littering the floor. There are, however, plenty of original levels down there with quite a few artefacts if you can find them.
Finding you way is not difficult but is confused by everything being the same colour - haematite red!:o

If you're lucky and there's been a prolonged dry spell you may be able to get into the adjacent workings, through the notorious 'trespass'.

As is familiar to anyone who has studied the mineral rights issue, surface features don't always follow what happens underground. this is no exception! When you are outside you may see an old hedge line running up the middle of the field. This is a mineral rights boundary and is bounded on the other side by part of the embankment, the whole forming a point near the road.

This is a different mineral rights owner (the surface 'pointy' field was originally owned by Drigg Church!) and was worked from the pit visible in the middle of the field. Ding-Dong is in a different 'patch'

In the early years of the last century miners from the middle patch broke through into the Ding Dong (Buccleugh) workings and started robbing ore from it - they got caught. The ensuing legal action was settled out of court.

The trespass is a hole in the roof in the long flooded passage at the lowest point of the mine. If it is a wet year then the passage is completely flooded and the place is sealed. This is a pity as the bit beyond the 'trespass' has only been poorly visited. I suspect there are still things to see.

It is possible to reach the pit in the middle of the field which is a fantastic sight as it is partially flooded and all the giant pit work has collapsed down the shaft. At the other end it is also possible to stand in a large chamber and look up to a shaft in the ceiling which is chocked with old car tyres. This is the indentation you pass just inside the field gate. You can certainly pass well under the road and the tunnels and workings are heading towards B30, the main hauling pit in the area.
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Last time I was in there however the tunnel was flooded to the roof just beyond the road.

What is really needed is a long protracted dry spell then all sorts of treasures would open up. unfortunately the wet spells over the last few years have made this unlikely. A prolonged very cold spell might also serve but again - we don't get 'em any more. In any case I don't fancy emerging from Ding Dong in sub-zero conditions.

Maybe diving is the answer. ::)

Oh and did I say - it's a bit messy down there.


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Henry David Thoreau
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17 years ago
"C-J" wrote:

Lap - I cant PM yet :confused:


Yeh man, thats the right way (or the way we went in). But there are also two passages directly on your left as you walk in, we didn't find these till later - following the smell of dead sheep!


I also found another lake like the main one further in and i'm guessing that may be one and the same, certainly felt like the right place.


Cheers!



Thanks C-J that's very usefull.
I didn't see the entrances you went in, but I saw the one's right next to the entrance, although they seemed pretty well blocked up!

Something that may be of interest, is that when I wandering around Hodbarrow today I came across an adit on the beach, although it appeared to blocked after 20ft or so judging by my flash photo I that I took just inside the entrance.
I then found another entrance in a opencut beside a deeply flooded pit. I'm not sure if it went far though, I will get round to checking!

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

C-J
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17 years ago
Sorry, been away for awhile (potholing in Austria - 700m deep shafts! :thumbsup: )

You mean you didn't get in the passages near the entrance? They certainly aren't blocked as these are the ones we came out of - following the smell of dead sheep ::)

Another thing, when we were down there I found another lake, I assumed it to be the same one as in the entrance but couldn't smell the rotting things, so maybe not? We're planning to roughly map sometime later this week/next week will post what we find (if we get round to it?)

90 feet for ding dong? is that about 30m? would ladders be oki for my less SRT competent mates? anyway - off to have a look today.


Cheers!
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Wormster
17 years ago
"C-J" wrote:

Sorry, been away for awhile (potholing in Austria - 700m deep shafts! :thumbsup: )



OOOO you went to Dachstien did you?? Lucky Berger, perhaps you bumped into a friend of mine from the BEC - Hels Warren.

I know that its off topic but man that is one place I'd love to get into and explore 😮
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17 years ago
Hi C-J;
There is already a survey here:
http://lindal-in-furness.co.uk/Resassoc/DaylightHoleMap.jpg 

And a more detailed one in the '60s' book Underground in Furness, a very good read if you can get hold of one.
I can't see the inner lake on this map, but it is on the map in 'Underground in Furness.

regards

Kein geneis kanaf - Cain gnais canaf
Byt vndyd mwyhaf - byth onddyth moyav
Lliaws a bwyllaf - Líows o boylav
Ac a bryderaf - ac o boryddarav
Kyfarchaf y veird byt - covarcav yr vairth
Pryt nam dyweid - poryth na'm dowaith
Py gynheil y byt - Pa gonail y byth
Na syrch yn eissywyt - na soroc yn eishoyth
Neur byt bei syrchei - nour byth bai sorochai

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