Cliquey bunch aren't you.

Appologies to the OP for all this, but when you get an arse of a reply like;

Note the "easily accessible" bit in the original poster's request, I don't think places you have to break into qualify as that....

from a simple suggestion, it's bound to get someones back up. Middleton is easily accessible if you look hard enough (and has been for a long time) and so is a suitable suggestion. If the owners of the place don't seal it, it's there to exploit. I also don't like it being implied that i break into places. 😠

As for a "willy waving contest", i have no interest. We've all been places that are a t**t to get down, whether it be abseils and rebelays that go on forever, or a bitch of a crawl - that's why we're here in the first place.

We're not really cliquey, we just think it unwise to admit to trespass and suggest that others do the same on a public forum that the owners may be reading.

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We're not really cliquey, we just think it unwise to admit to trespass and suggest that others do the same on a public forum that the owners may be reading.

Yes, in a nutshell

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We're not really cliquey, we just think it unwise to admit to trespass and suggest that others do the same on a public forum that the owners may be reading.

I can't argue with that. It's not something i generally do. Rarely do I post any reports etc.

I think its more a case of keeping a sensitive location off the radar, owners and companies DO keep an eye on this website as well as other websites and they will take more and more drastic steps to secure these places if people are seen to be going in all the time.

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Its what happened at Slipton

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Given the "sensitive" nature of some mines a wee bit of discretion goes a long way.

:thumbup: Not rocket science ; is it? Eh:? :thumbup:

Cliquey bunch aren't you.

So one of my friends supporting me after personal abuse from you counts as being cliquey, does it? Just putting an emoticon after the abuse it doesn't make it acceptable, and it won't endear you to many of the membership on this site so look to your own attitude before criticising anyone else, and I refer back to my earlier comment about understanding the culture and ethos of any online forum before pitching in!

Appologies to the OP for all this, but when you get an arse of a reply like;

Note the "easily accessible" bit in the original poster's request, I don't think places you have to break into qualify as that....

from a simple suggestion, it's bound to get someones back up.Middleton is easily accessible if you look hard enough (and has been for a long time) and so is a suitable suggestion.

Was the OP really wanting as part of his holiday to go into a mine that you have to go furtively poking around to find a way into, runs the risk of getting your collar felt, not to mention the risk of getting lost in several miles of pillar-and-stall workings? Somehow I doubt it....

If the owners of the place don't seal it, it's there to exploit. I also don't like it being implied that i break into places. 😠

Oh, so it's all Tarmac's fault for not stopping you going in is it? Since 2005, they've spent a lot on continually re-securing the Hopton Wood Fan drift, to the extent of having to put in a second line of grill, plus ongoing security cover costs. Why? Because if someone comes to grief in a mine on care and maintenance and it's been slapped all over the internet that people are breaking in, the Mines Inspectorate will likely hold the responsible manager negligent for stopping them getting in, which may not be the case if trespass is not being advertised to the world. There is another Derbyshire mine on C&M I can think of that the owners were willing to turn a blind eye to exploration of when it was discreet, but they took a different line once stuff started appearing online. As for the implication, in a strict legal sense "breaking in" does not necessarily require you to break something to get in.

As for a "willy waving contest", i have no interest. We've all been places that are a t**t to get down, whether it be abseils and rebelays that go on forever, or a bitch of a crawl - that's why we're here in the first place.

I notice the mines you quote in your intro thread are walk-in and walk-round stone/slate mines, none of which are exactly difficult to get in to and the site's stated purpose is this: "Mine exploration, photographs and mining history for mine explorers, industrial archaeologists, researchers and historians". I'm here for the love of old mines and their industrial archaeology, so any excitement or sense of achievement I get from exploring difficult ground is a bonus. What do you care about old mines other than the fact they provide you with another playground?

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I notice the mines you quote in your intro thread are walk-in and walk-round stone/slate mines, none of which are exactly difficult to get in

I thought we were using discretion here? If you want me to go telling folk how to go about getting into the old bomb stores at Fauld, MOD owned areas in Wilts, or info on Sallet hole etc. then just let me know.

I personally didn't see Middleton as being particularly sensitive. It's been open for years in places with little effort needed to get in. I've never heard of anyone being caught in there and it's not a hard place to navigate either, all you need is a compass and maps are readily available if needed.

Everyone is in this game for their own reasons, whether it be architecture of the old workings or technical srt and tranquility of the underground as it is for me.

The fact still remains that from the outset you basically accused me of breaking into places. I've yet to have to break in anywhere. Look long enough and hard enough and you'll find an airshaft, vein from nearby workings etc.

Yes, in hindsight the 'gammon slipper' comment was ill conceived, but then so was your comment about breaking to the place. But nobody seems to have picked up on that.

But the main argument i have now is that emoticons don't make things better. Emoticons make everything better.

:surrender: ::) 😮 :smartass: :wub: :flowers: 😮 :guns: :angel: :happybday:

Excuse my ignorance, but just exactly what is a 'gammon slipper'
If I am not up with latest street talk it may well be an age thing.
😉

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I wasn't 'street' when i was young, let alone now i'm in my 30s.

Gammon slipper has no meaning, it's the first thing that popped in my head.

Obligatory emoticon;

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I don't particularly have anything to add to this but just wanted to register my support of AR in this matter. He does some sterling work in ensuring access is available wherever possible in the Peak :thumbup:

aem82 may also be a fine fellow who has just been a bit too "open"

The blind eye approach works well in a lot of cases but is easily lost if things are publicised 😞

I wasn't 'street' when i was young, let alone now i'm in my 30s.

Gammon slipper has no meaning, it's the first thing that popped in my head.

Obligatory emoticon;

;D

A Gammon Slipper is a particular cut of pork, it's one of the larger first cuts which are nowadays more often cut into smaller joints. :flowers:

[mod]Gents...

If the personal sniping could be left out, that would be appreciated.

The issue of access to Middleton is well summed up above, but it is worth underlining that the owners do not permit access and do take steps to prevent people getting in.

As such, it is best not to suggest that access is possible and as with any such site, it is also preferable that photographs are not put on public display.

In general, it is better to be discrete about locations with questionable access as the more that is posted online about them, the more likely that the site owners will take steps to prevent future access. [/mod]

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Well I'll admit to having been in Middleton and am aware of other members who have been in although haven't publicly stated it on here. There are also other mines I have mentioned on here that I've been asked not to name directly so access does not become an issue, I don't see how it is any different as the land owners do not condone access...

I will state that this was not a case of "breaking in" as has been suggested above. I'm not a pikey so doubt I'll have any issues involving high voltage cable and if anything would suggest that a mine under care should be safer than one just left.

Just my 10 pence worth

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I'm sure many of us have been in Middleton, just not recently... 😉

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A Gammon Slipper is a particular cut of pork, it's one of the larger first cuts which are nowadays more often cut into smaller joints. :flowers:

Wondered where i had picked it up from. You learn something new everyday.

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Oh dear! did not intend to stir things up by my request. I am only a hobby explorer & generally just locate mines and look around the surface remains, would like to do more but cannot pluck up the courage to ask if anybody fancies taking me in some easy mines in North Wales as everybody seems so active & busy.
Anyway due to the fact that I aggrevated my injury further with the caravan I was limited to locating a couple of mines, Magpie & Via Gelia and I had a peek via the path at Middleton also told that Holme Bank was slippery and may have made things worse.
Thanks for all the info, annoyed I could not put it to better use and sorry if my request caused any problems

Oh dear! did not intend to stir things up by my request. I am only a hobby explorer & generally just locate mines and look around the surface remains, would like to do more but cannot pluck up the courage to ask if anybody fancies taking me in some easy mines in North Wales as everybody seems so active & busy.
Anyway due to the fact that I aggrevated my injury further with the caravan I was limited to locating a couple of mines, Magpie & Via Gelia and I had a peek via the path at Middleton also told that Holme Bank was slippery and may have made things worse.
Thanks for all the info, annoyed I could not put it to better use and sorry if my request caused any problems

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