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Edd
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12 years ago

#21

A trip to Alderley? :smartass:

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NewStuff
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12 years ago

#22

Wherever we go, I'll need notice to get a day off etc.

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mistericeman
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12 years ago

#23

"gNick" wrote:
Smallcleugh is the easiest though a fair walk up from the car park and is well visited but once off the tourist route to the Ballroom there are plenty of interesting places that don't have hundreds of pictures already posted here.

Rampgill is right off the car park but is over-welly wet for everything except Brewery shaft. Scaleburn would be the best target - try and get a different pic of the horse gin!

Brownley Hill is OK for dryness, at least as far as I can remember cos I've only been in once.

Capelcleugh and Nentsberry Haggs are muchly wet so best avoided.

I'm up most Sundays if you don't mind being guided by someone who gives a very good imitation of someone who can't quite remember where he is...

I'll second Smallcleugh ...The Mrs and I have spent a good couple of days mooching round in there over the Xmas break ...Cracking fun and Quality picture opportunities 😎

snewby
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12 years ago

#24

Penarth is a great place to go !
http://jakeofwinterhill.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/penarth-slate-mine-carrog-north-wales.html
I had a great guide ! always helps
Jake,

http://jakeofwinterhill.blogspot.co.uk/

ICLOK
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12 years ago

#25

THANKS ALL! Some great ideas and offers... now I just need to get me head round the diary and which to pick :flowers: :confused:

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ICLOK
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#26

"ICLOK" wrote:
THANKS ALL! Some great ideas and offers... now I just need to get me head round the diary and which to pick :flowers: :confused:

Dear all we made a very last minute decision as in 23:45 the night before and did Penarth on Saturday!!! Fantastic and even tho we only did about half as busy doing pics and learning UG photography techniques we were in there for 4 hours. We also enjoyed the surface stuff with some great feature. Look forwards to a guided tour with you sometime.
Thanks all again.
Regs ICLOK & also from LeeW

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Vanoord
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12 years ago

#27

Strange greenish tint? One has had similar problems in mines in that area: I suspect colour temperature might need to be tweaked to something like 6k?

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ICLOK
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12 years ago

#28

Hard place to photograph.... the walls just absorb the light.... the colour I thought was pretty much ok but I will have a mess... whats the opinion on the pics otherwise? :flowers:

Edit... Hmm I think the colour on balance is about right! Had a mess and it doesnt change... I cant really see tinge to be honest.

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Vanoord
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12 years ago

#29

Good effort, but you might want to add a bit more light ?

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ICLOK
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12 years ago

#30

Bloody Hell mate.... it Killed my TK40 as it was.... It was really only the big chamber shots I struggled with! I tried to max at 30 second exposures... how much more is typical?, I thought the incline shots were ok though.
Thinking of a second Fenix so what do you recommend in terms of lighting for big chambers, what do you do??

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LeeW
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12 years ago

#31

"ICLOK" wrote:
Bloody Hell mate.... it Killed my TK40 as it was.... It was really only the big chamber shots I struggled with! I tried to max at 30 second exposures... how much more is typical?, I thought the incline shots were ok though.
Thinking of a second Fenix so what do you recommend in terms of lighting for big chambers, what do you do??

Try taking a generator and some floodlights or failing that you could try using some of those Christmas lights we saw on those houses on the way back
😮 😉 ::)

Mind ya though; if you get another Fenix and I standing still flashing then who is going to working the other Fenix and the camera?

I went in a mine once.... it was dark and scary..... full of weirdos

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NewStuff
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12 years ago

#32

It depends on Your camera's capabilities. On my old DSLR, I needed 1K+ Lumens and 30 seconds. On the new camera, I can do 8-10 second exposures. Areas like this are why cameras can get expensive.

Off camera flash can help too, if You want to "paint" with it. Just be aware it doesn't "travel" well, and only lights up sections relatively close to You when You let it off. Grab yourself a big old Vivitar 285 from Fleabay, and set it off manually when the shutter is open.

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Edd
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12 years ago

#33

"NewStuff" wrote:
It depends on Your camera's capabilities. On my old DSLR, I needed 1K+ Lumens and 30 seconds. On the new camera, I can do 8-10 second exposures. Areas like this are why cameras can get expensive.

Off camera flash can help too, if You want to "paint" with it. Just be aware it doesn't "travel" well, and only lights up sections relatively close to You when You let it off. Grab yourself a big old Vivitar 285 from Fleabay, and set it off manually when the shutter is open.

I disagree with that really as any camera with manual settings can be used no problem. simply a case of adjusting the camera to suit your location. I.e. your on 30 second exposures, maxing out your lights and pictures still dark. I would suggest upping your ISO a bit or getting a few more bright lights rather than changing the camera.

Also flash guns in slate is a waste of time for big chambers unless your ramp the ISO to cope. I was using PF100 flash bulbs in Moel Fferna yesterday and they lit the place beautifully even at ISO100. Daggers was using a hand held powerful flash and even at ISO1250 it was lost!

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Edd
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12 years ago

#34

"Vanoord" wrote:
Strange greenish tint? One has had similar problems in mines in that area: I suspect colour temperature might need to be tweaked to something like 6k?

I am guessing you mean this one
🔗Penarth-Slate-Mine-Visit-Image-82515[linkphoto]Penarth-Slate-Mine-Visit-Image-82515[/linkphoto][/link]

It looks like 2 very different torches were used and has knocked the white balance / colour temp to pants. Easy fix in Light room :thumbup:

Also i agree with Van the pictures look fine just need more torches to light the place. I would say mr V will be able to sell you some suitable light sabers :thumbsup:

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NewStuff
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12 years ago

#35

"edd" wrote:

"NewStuff" wrote:
It depends on Your camera's capabilities. On my old DSLR, I needed 1K+ Lumens and 30 seconds. On the new camera, I can do 8-10 second exposures. Areas like this are why cameras can get expensive.

Off camera flash can help too, if You want to "paint" with it. Just be aware it doesn't "travel" well, and only lights up sections relatively close to You when You let it off. Grab yourself a big old Vivitar 285 from Fleabay, and set it off manually when the shutter is open.

I disagree with that really as any camera with manual settings can be used no problem. simply a case of adjusting the camera to suit your location. I.e. your on 30 second exposures, maxing out your lights and pictures still dark. I would suggest upping your ISO a bit or getting a few more bright lights rather than changing the camera.

Also flash guns in slate is a waste of time for big chambers unless your ramp the ISO to cope. I was using PF100 flash bulbs in Moel Fferna yesterday and they lit the place beautifully even at ISO100. Daggers was using a hand held powerful flash and even at ISO1250 it was lost!

But an older camera with high noise at relatively low ISO's will need longer exposure times, and the illumination source to on for longer (The part about killing his Fenix, which I was trying to address).

Flashes, as I said, are not for distance, the falloff is massive. Localised multiple flashes are fine, and pretty cheap and re-usable. Flashbulbs, not so much when you consider the cost, probability of a dud (I got sick of them, stopped using them before I'd managed to get the exposure right 2 goodun's out of 2 boxes of 10 and £20 down the drain). Granted, a good flashbulb's output dwarf's anything a single flash can do.

The long and short of it is, everyone is different, takes pictures in a different way, and has different kit on hand/available.

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LeeW
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12 years ago

#36

Strange how your greenish tint was so pronounced; when compared to my photo of the same - same camera lens etc, only 1 person painting and 1 flashgun to light up the foreground.

Mine:
[photo]Penarth-Slate-Mine-Visit-Image-82603[/photo]

Ians:
[photo]Penarth-Slate-Mine-Visit-Image-82515[/photo]

I have even tried playing around with my image and I can't seem to get what Ian got

I went in a mine once.... it was dark and scary..... full of weirdos

When do I get my soapbox, I need to rant on about some b***cks

pwhole
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12 years ago

#37

Shooting in RAW too if possible should give more than enough latitude to get rid of stuff like the the green tint easily. The new Photoshop CS6 RAW loader is incredible compared to the old one, and I'm currently re-doing a lot of my older files, as the difference is amazing, especially on the low-lit, noisier images.

I also make sure all my lighting is the same brand to mimize any color differences, as even 200K difference will show up. Thankfully the StenLight seems to be exactly the same color as my hand-lights, which makes a big difference, as that's now my primary light, as long as I can get away from the camera in time - or there's enough room to move!

exspelio
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12 years ago

#38

Used to use slave switches to trigger bulb flashes, can you still get them and would they be suitable for DSLR?

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simonrl
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12 years ago

#39

You can indeed :)

http://www.fireflyelectronics.co.uk/pages/info.htm

You can also get flashes with built in slave flash but I've not had much luck with them - they don't seem to fire reliably over anything approaching a reasonable distance.

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Willy Eckerslyke
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12 years ago

#40

I've been trying out a flashgun with a zoom which, in theory, should get around any fall-off problem.
Trouble is, I haven't been scientific enough and can't remember which images were taken with what setting. 😞

It's a cheapo Centon FH85 that has a freznel screen on an extendable mount that supposedly goes from 28mm to 85mm.
In theory you could fit a flashgun with a proper lens and project the light to the back of any chamber.

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