carnkie
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13 years ago
Whilst looking for something else I came across this snippet.

In September 1877 an interesting experiment took place with the use of the telephone in West Wheal Eliza Mine. It allowed conversations to be carried out at the bottom of the mine, and at the end of the levels. It was noted that this appears to be a very convenient, efficacious, and inexpensive mode of communication.

Would this be the first example of the use of the telephone in mines or was it used earlier elsewhere?
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scooptram
13 years ago
Levant was one of the first to install a phone system underground (in cornwall) will have to look up the date but im sure if im wrong some one will put me right 😉
spitfire
13 years ago
I'm pretty sure that Wheal Eliza was the first Cornish mine to use a telephone system, but as for other areas I don't know.
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ian S
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13 years ago
Our group are currently using ex army field telephones in a dig, they are perfect for comms from shaft bottom to shaft top and are cheap to replace incase of mishaps, very handy..... 🙂
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Manicminer
13 years ago
"ian S" wrote:

Our group are currently using ex army field telephones in a dig, they are perfect for comms from shaft bottom to shaft top and are cheap to replace incase of mishaps, very handy..... :)


Until the one doing the calling decides to turn the handle while you are answering and pops your ear :lol: :lol: :lol: :curse:
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Dolcoathguy
13 years ago
The use of phones in 1877 shows how quickly the invention took off (1875?) .
I have read about knocker lines, and bells and signals/tokens used on early systems for man engines etc.
What i am struggling to find out is when these more earlier systems were introduced. It would be logical to assume that they must have had some system from the days of the earliest horse whims, even if it was a tug on the rope. But not much written down in the books I have.
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13 years ago
Don't forget that one reason the telephone 'took off' quickly is that it could use the wires of existing telegraph systems that that been inplace since the 1830s. Morse code had been around since the 1840s. Perhaps one should also look for early use of telegraph systems rather than telephone systems which could possibly have been 'upgrades' rather than new installations.

The telegraph is ideal for signalling between top and bottom of a winding shaft so I would have expected it to be introduced quite quickly. However it is not very obvious how usefull it would be beyond the bottom of a shaft. One should also remember that this was a time when people were falling over themselves to use the latest technology, so any existing use of a telegraph in the shaft would possibly encourage the use of the telephone in other areas for which is was more suitable than the telegraph.
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staffordshirechina
13 years ago
Whilst they are good for some purposes, telephones are not very useful for haulage and shaft signals. One of the main problems is that they are fixed installations (up until relatively recent radio systems). With pull wire or short across wires systems you can signal from anywhere along a haulage roadway. Likewise in shafts, as anyone who has done any winching will tell you, the telephone wire is always a pain.
Pull wire shaft signals are still used for simplicity, especially in temporary installations.
Up until fairly recently, colliery shaftsmen used a gong and hammer to signal whilst working in the shaft. The gong strikes were heard by either the banksman or the onsetter and the command relayed to the winding engineman. It is still, I believe kept as the back-up system in case the radio system fails.
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13 years ago
Regarding an early use of telephones in coal mine. I dug following out from a local history source, that has some information on a field trial of a telephone at the Addison Pit (Stella Coal Company - Geordieland) that took place in Sept 1877.

- We are fortunately to have had in our district Dr. John Bell Simpson, who was considered the foremost mining engineer of his time, as well as the pioneer of the success of the Stella Coal Company. It must have been on his initiative that the inventor of the telephone visited the Addison Pit shortly after the Addison Pit shortly after his demonstration in the Town Hall, Newcastle. For Mr. Simpson wrote a letter to Dr. Siemens dated 20th, September 1877(for which I have a copy). Here I have the pleasure of giving my readers what he had to say “I have the pleasure to inform you of the successful results of the experiments made at the Stella Coal Company’s Pit near Blaydon, with Professor Graham’s telephone. The instrument was applied in the following manner: A single insulated wire was laid from a cabin near the mouth of the Pit, thence down it (88 yards), thence 400 yards along a horizontal gallery in the mine (in all about 500 yards of wire). This was done in a few hours. The wonderful, simple “Telephone” which was shown in Newcastle Town Hall yesterday was then attached to the wire at each end, and the experiments commenced. There was present: Professor Graham Bell, Mr. Heansilly of the Newcastle Post Office, Col. Potter and several others. Prof. Bell and Mr. Heansilly superintended the experiments. Vocal messages were transmitted from the surface to those underground, and vice-versa. The words were distinctly audible, and the intonation and recognition of each individual’s voice who spoke were easily recognised. Conversations were kept up quite easily. The mouth of the speaker at one end and the ear of the listener at the other required to be closely applied to the instrument at each end. Mr. Heansilly on the surface sang “The Last Rose of Summer” and the party of 12 or 14 in the mine from two to ten feet from the instrument could hear distinctly the tune. ‘God Save the Queen’ and ‘Auld Lang Syne’ were sung by Professor Bell in the mine and were heard on the surface about 150 yards to Hedgefield House and to the piano in the drawing room, and the music played upon it, was distinctly heard underground. There can be no doubt from the experiments of to-day, that the telephone promises, as you said last evening, to be capable of useful application in mines for many purposes which are too obvious to particularize, and will, on the surface as well as underground be of immense use”.

Only wonder how they managed to translate the Geordie into English for Dr, Graham Bell and the other gents. at the experiment!!!!!

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staffordshirechina
13 years ago
And presumably the good doctors were all wearing frock coats, wing collars and top hats whilst they were doing this!

We have no sense of occasion now do we...........
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13 years ago
And presumably the good doctors were all wearing frock coats, wing collars and top hats whilst they were doing this!

Correct the the frock coat and top hat was the normal "Health and Safety" equipment, as used by the Geordie Pitmen in the late 1800's. A centuary latter it was eventually replaced by the NCB Donkey Jacket, with the NCB PVC shoulders, the logo being in yellow or white.


Roy Morton
13 years ago
Didn't Wheal Uny (Redruth) have a telephone system, or was that just an outside line?

Here's some phones from 1927 by GEC when the stuff was made in GB

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Trewillan
13 years ago
Similar thing also by Ericsson, Flameproof, hinged and latched front cover with handset on a cradle and a dial.

Made in Nottingham I think.
staffordshirechina
13 years ago
We had one like Fig.3 in that link at the PDMHS cottage. It was rigged up to talk to the other buildings at Magpie. Some b*astard broke in and nicked it.

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